Check Your Premises!
>Don't waste your time. You might as well walk into a KH and announce that the JW is a bunch of crap. Nobody will listen, and who the hell cares what they think anyway.
CYP
Well said! I just love to show them that their cozy little land of liberalism is a joke and they are the fools who believe in it!
Rex
Shining One
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A Link for the Liberal Loudmouths
by Shining One inhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050902/cm_csm/ekatrina .
read it and see that the pres actually was on the ball and had the machinery turned on and ready to operate.
if a dummy like clinton (gore or kerry as well) had been in charge, who knows what would have happened!
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A Link for the Liberal Loudmouths
by Shining One inhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050902/cm_csm/ekatrina .
read it and see that the pres actually was on the ball and had the machinery turned on and ready to operate.
if a dummy like clinton (gore or kerry as well) had been in charge, who knows what would have happened!
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"perhaps you could give us some background on yourself, including your education as well as your professional achievements. Then we can assess your comments with the appropriate level of scrutiny."
What a telling statement by a liberal! Did I perhaps commit crime-thought and Big Brother needs to see if I am politically correct? LOL Colin Powell is one of the most honest, intelligent and moderate politicians in our country and he refuses to run for public office due to this type of environment in the media. You guys would fit right into the Pink Floyd scenario of "Another Brick in the Wall". You are also in the midst of a disturbing trend toward the nightmare of "1984".
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A Link for the Liberal Loudmouths
by Shining One inhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050902/cm_csm/ekatrina .
read it and see that the pres actually was on the ball and had the machinery turned on and ready to operate.
if a dummy like clinton (gore or kerry as well) had been in charge, who knows what would have happened!
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"Did not really want to get dragged into another post attempting to educate some of our less free thinking American cousins over the pond, however this one takes the biscuit for uninformed comment.
Bush has the backbone to take the war on terror to the enemy in Afghanistan. Are these the same Afghan's that in the 80's were trained, funded and armed by the US government?"
Let's see. Reagan helped the muslim resistance gain their freedom. Some of these ones later created a state where terrorism flourished and the people were oppressed. They attacked our country and we took the war to them and helped THEIR OWN PEOPLE GAIN FREEDOM!
"Is this the same murderous brute that was trained, funded and armed by the US government in the 80's?"
Hussein was primarily supported by europeans you idiot. Politically we did not side against him because he was in a war against the same type of muslim we saw in the Taliban. BTW, how do you feel about the Van Gough muder?
"Bush has backbone, democracy is starting to free people in the middle east"
Exactly as I said above, the Palestinians, Afghans and Iraqis have fledgling democracies in place now. Are you blind?
"Democratic in the American sense as in the case of the election rigging by Bush in Florida or Democratic in the Ukranian sense in that they protested against their rigged election and got the elction declared void."
That is total idiocy. The SUPREME COURT decided that matter, and a liberal court at that!
"Free as in the sort of freedom enjoyed in America whereby you cannot go outside for fear of getting shot, or free as in the European sense where in most places you can safely let your kids play outside unattended."
Yes, I can do just that as well as the great majority of my fellow citizens. Perhaps you would like to try life in Iran, North Korea, Sudan or a slew of other countries?
"Christian as in the case of Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, General Franco and all the South American military dictators that were trained, funded and armed by the US government in the 60-70's."
Mussonlini was one sick individual who had mafioso style power and his own countrymen executed him, just like the fate of Saddam. Have you studied history at all? Hitler and his regime were evolutionists who saw the elimination of jews and others to be part and parcel with 'survival of the fittest'!
"Capitalism (as opposed to Socialism and Communism) has found a nifty way of getting around those inconvenient anti slavery laws dating back from the civil war. Why not export the slavery."
Idiotic and pointless rhetoric.
"1/ Lend a third world country money for development in exchange for lowering of trade barriers/ Export cheap rice to the third world country3/ The bottom falls out of the subsistance rice gowing economy4/ Hike up the rice prices just a little5/ Wait till the country is on the verge of starvation6/ Farmers mass migrate to the towns in search of food7/ Open up a Nike Factory to take advantage of cheap labour8/ Provide housing for the grateful employees, who under the banner of freedom, democracy and capitalism have the luxury of a small room to house their entire family, a toilet for every 20 families, their own light bulb and an 18 hour working day in conditions that would be illegal back home."
This is an amazing display of generalizations that lack any foundation in facts. I posted a link for you to comment on, not spew vitrolic rhetoric. Stick to the original link and quit grandstanding.
"How I look forward to the day when we here in Europe can enjoy the sweet joy of freedom and Democracy American Style"
Lets see, our unemployment is at less than 6%, what is it in France and Germany, you ignorant bugger? I bet you stood and cheered when the Trade Centers fell, didn't you? Hmm, there is a lot of muslim immigration into Europe now. In twenty years you secularists will be facing Sharia law, perhaps?
I guess America will be who you turn to to bail you out (Again!). LOL
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A Link for the Liberal Loudmouths
by Shining One inhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050902/cm_csm/ekatrina .
read it and see that the pres actually was on the ball and had the machinery turned on and ready to operate.
if a dummy like clinton (gore or kerry as well) had been in charge, who knows what would have happened!
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Under 74,
Please read the article and debate it's merits. Quit 'playing to the crowd' and engage in some honesty instead of rhetoric!
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A Link for the Liberal Loudmouths
by Shining One inhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050902/cm_csm/ekatrina .
read it and see that the pres actually was on the ball and had the machinery turned on and ready to operate.
if a dummy like clinton (gore or kerry as well) had been in charge, who knows what would have happened!
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"I hate GW Bush . If that man is a christian then I'm an astronaught . His administration wreaks of incompetence to the highest degree ."
This is the problem: an attitude of hate. BTW, what knowledge of the situation do you have that enables you to judge 'incompetence', watching the evening news and listening to the knee-jerk libs who run much of the media?
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A Link for the Liberal Loudmouths
by Shining One inhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050902/cm_csm/ekatrina .
read it and see that the pres actually was on the ball and had the machinery turned on and ready to operate.
if a dummy like clinton (gore or kerry as well) had been in charge, who knows what would have happened!
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Talesin,
Did I say capitalism is perfect? Does it actually work better than communism/socialism? You must be blind not to see the answer to that. That was not my point. My point is that the agnostic world view leads to much more death and chaos than any religion ever has.
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A Link for the Liberal Loudmouths
by Shining One inhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050902/cm_csm/ekatrina .
read it and see that the pres actually was on the ball and had the machinery turned on and ready to operate.
if a dummy like clinton (gore or kerry as well) had been in charge, who knows what would have happened!
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Hemp Lover,
Are you really so cruel in your heart of hearts? I hope not. Even if you don't like the president's policies, you should respect him as a person who is our president and a imperfect man who has huge responsibility for all that he decides.
Do we really need the dem libs taking potshots at all concerned when there is plenty of blame to go around? Have we sunk to this level: one where we ignore the great ways that average Americans are setting aside their differences in order to help our fellow citizens who need us? Anyone who makes political points off of this disaster is a cretin.
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Questions for Jgnat
by Shining One injgnat, .
you had some points that i missed in a previous thread.
here are my answers to your charges.
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Well, you are showing your true colors now, aren't you Jgnat?
>Well, with this comment and a PM I received, I now realize I am debating with an idiot of collossal proportion.
Rhetoric instead of substance. You have done nothing but dodge the original questions and scripture in the initial post. BTW, the PM was an appeal to your reasoning.
>I am NOT pro-abortion. I am anti-bombers.
You compared the bombing of one abortion clinic to the continual terrorist bombings coming from Islam. I wonder how you will feel when Ottowa is the target instead of New York, London and Washington? OH, sorry, there is little chance of that since the Canadian government has been taken over by knee-jerk libs who sympathize with those who would damage the U.S. in any way possible. (Hey, can I use rhetoric also?)
>Oh Shining One, you HAVE elevated the bible to God-head, as you have consistently accused me of being godless for refusing to bow down to your god.
Where do we learn about God and if the Bible is it then how can you selectively ignore the commands therein? How can you 'pick and choose', ignore context and side with Bible-bashers?
>Yet you admit to elevating some scriptures above others based on context and history. You choose to believe some parts of the Bible. The Christ that you follow is one of your own making. Hypocrite!
Oh, will you quit with the grandstanding? You've shown your own ignorance on scripture interpretation, well, its either ignorance or denial. The only thing consistent about you is your inconsistency!
>It's no fun shooting fish in a barrel.
Translation of Jgnat's last comment: I can't win on merit of argument, therefore I will 'play to the allies I have here, so they will keep cheering me on'. Go ahead, try and actually stand up for your faith and see how quickly the mob will turn on you. The fact that they chime in contiually in support of you shows their own intellectual dishonesty. (More rhetoric for the mob!)
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Questions for Jgnat
by Shining One injgnat, .
you had some points that i missed in a previous thread.
here are my answers to your charges.
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Well Jgnat,
You are pro-abortion. The most defenseless people in our society you will not stand up for. They can be killed just because the mother decides the baby is too inconvenient.
You choose to believe some parts of the Bible, yet claim to follow Christ. The Christ that you follow is one of your own making.
The only thing consistent about you is your inconsistency! You accuse me of worshiping the Bible because I respect the scriptures as what they claim to be, God inspired. If they are not God inspired, then the Jesus that you follow does not exist and never did.
He came and died for our sins...oh, you probably do not believe in sin, right? You stand against the presentation of the gospel and quote scripture while doing it. May God open your eyes and if He doesn't may He have mercy on your soul.
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Questions for Jgnat
by Shining One injgnat, .
you had some points that i missed in a previous thread.
here are my answers to your charges.
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Dear Jignat,
>1. On what basis have you determined that the bible is factual (your general assessment)? Is it by faith or some other means?
1) My own relationship with Christ; 2) The teachings of scripture; 3) The historicity of scripture; 4) The contextual analysis of scripture based on sound principals.
>2. I have consistently criticized defending the bible as infallible. I have consistently used the word infallible. Do you believe the bible is infallible? Scripture reference please.
2) You are obviously confusing 'inerrancy' with 'infallibility', that is your first stawman. The second is that you seem to believe that fundamentalists always take scripture literally. Look up the definitions in your dictionary or in any theology textbook.
3) The 'head covering' issue is related to the customs in and around Corinth: female pagan prostitutes shaved their heads and conducted pagan rites as priestesses. In a patriarchal society they also held authority over men in pagan religions. That is why Paul made his statements in the scriptures in question.
When people teach legalistic doctrine they have often been ignorant of the history of the Book. They also go completely out of context to teach their own made up doctrines.
4) I will challenge you whenever I see you encouraging others to run roughshod over scripture and the faith displayed by those who take God at His word.
For Daunt,
You confuse respect for the word of God with some type of worship of a 'book'.
Freebie, back at you:
>A small group of people have concluded, without a doubt, that peanut butter causes incurable cancer. They have dedicated their lives to eradicate peanut butter. Since this is a life-or-death matter, they are very passionate about their cause. They produce leaflets, campaign the removal of peanut butter from nursing homes and hospitals, and engage in lengthy debates with scientists who dispute their conclusion. They take to breaking in to cancer wards to reach the patients direct with this life-saving information. Any one who challenges them are called cancer-lovers.
That sounds like PETA only with peanut butter! LOL
Are you being forced to be a Christian in any way or are you merely offended at the teachings. I see no Christian terrorists strapping bombs to themselves. I do see some people, who are Christian or claim to be 'Christian' arguing out of context teachings.
Your very train of thought applies directly to the naturalist establishment that has almost total control of all that is taught as 'acceptable'. Naturalism is just as much a religion as Chrisianity and takes even more faith to believe.
>"But", the opposers say, "I don't love cancer. I just don't think peanut butter is the cause. And even if it is, a death-bed conversion won't cure the cancer. Leave the poor people alone."
The evangelists reply, "You have essentially killed your patient because of your ignorance. How can you live with yourself?""Quite easily" says the opposer, "I live under a different paradigm."
The death bed conversion will in fact 'cure the cancer' as it seals the fate of the soul into eternity. Yes, it is a 'different paradigm' and that takes us back to the beginning of the circular argument. It also takes us to Pascal's wager and the reasoning I tried to get the lot of you to see via C.S. Lewis, who BTW, was not a 'literalist' at all. He, like I try to, observed and analyzed context of scripture instead of making assumptions without merit.
REx